This question became for me (male kayaker) a major issue and I came near to giving up kayaking because, these days, when I have to go I have to go. I could not find a decent solution until I came across this articles and they describes the same problem that we have within the glider pilots community:http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/pinkeln-e.htmlhttp://aviation.derosaweb.net/relief/
A Solution for Female Pilots:
Dear Mr. Weber,
In the informative (and very important) "urinal article" there is an important solution for ladies, which is missing.
My daughter and a model maker have developed, a urinal device suitable for ladies. The urinal device is made from silicone rubber and is applied to the Vagina prior to take-off. It is non intrusive, according to some ladies who have tested the unit. Relief for the female pilot can now be similar to the men, via a bag or via a direct exhaust tube (Pee tube). Sitting on or withholding wet nappies is no longer the only choice for female pilots.
The Ladies National Champion has used the device for several years and an overseas female has used it for competition flying. The unit appears so successful that female relief problems are no longer an issue.
Please contact: katrin.senne(at)gmx.de
I located the exhaust tube in my DG-800S as far from the interior fuselage centerline as possible. The main advantage was this permitted relief fluids to exhaust externally along the fuselage exterior, without entering the main wheel or rear wheel wells, thereby avoiding under carriage corrosion problems.
Many greetings, Klaus Keim
Katrin Senne wrote:
Womens help for Womens Pilots, Pilot relief system, pee-tube for pilots
I have the device since 10 years in use. But it hasn't been produced any more the last few years so we "reproduced" it.
It is working perfectly, just look at the pictures. After a long competition flight I normally have 2 bags (which are 2 liters each) full! Of course I am drinking a lot of tea during flight.
You insert the longest piece (just before take off) like a tampon. The open part of it is than just in front of the part where the pipi comes out. It is not so comfortable to walk with it but in flight it is comfortable and you do not feel it.
It (the piece is made out of silicon) is very easy to handle and after flying I just rinse it with hot water and soap and put it into a cleaning bath for third teeth (antibacterial). The bags for the pipi you can be bought in any pharmacy. Further informations: katrin.senne(at)gmx.de
I am using an external katheder and urine bag now for about a year and it is very relaxing. It allows me also to drink when and how much I want. I don't know any kayaking women yet who used the "glider pilot" system but I think this is only a matter of time.
I posted a thread about this issue on paddling.net/message/showThread.html?fid=advice&tid=1721388 where some interesting comments were posted.
I am sure that overcoming this problem is not a technical one but most of all a psychological and social one. Anyway I (and you) am not alone. In Holland (most of the time I go there to kayak) 3/4 of the drown men are found with their relief zipper open. It is clearly a dangerous occupation
. I recognized that when at first I tried to use a pee bottle. Did you ever tried that whit some wind and waves? I know now where the statistic comes from (of course this are not all kayakers) knrm.nl/_sitefiles/file/zeevast/zeevast-folders/Folder%20Man%20overboord.pdf
These days I only kayak with a dry suit. My suit has a zipper between the legs (inside legs) from ankle to ankle (a suit from Peak) that way it is easy to empty the urine bag. But other manufacturers are offering a covered ankle zipper (20 cm) on demand (kokatat 50 $ in 2013)
shown here without cover but for me the zipper has to be just above the black part
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