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Now that's the best advice I've heard in years, Tom
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Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:48 am KAYAK: Australis Gecko, Valley Nordkapp RM. Location: NSW Central Coast |
 Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:34 pm
Now that's the best advice I've heard in years, Tom
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Joined: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:55 am KAYAK: Nautiraid Greenlander and Boreal Ellesmere Location: Sydney |
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:05 am
I had a really good session in the Tyak with the GP yesterday - over a couple of hours I think I was getting the stroke right about 50% of the time but I'm still not using much "cant" yet in this boat as I'm still a little unstable and the diving motion freaks me out. I find that exagerating the motion by locking my elbows in (as suggested by Tom) really helped get the feel for the action.
Heading out later this morning in the Ellesmere to work more on the "cant". Thanks Tom for the links, spent last night scoping out that site - some really good stuff but it has the feel of a trainspotting club! Paddle more is always the answer - but try telling that to my boss... Cheers, Adam |
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Joined: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:46 am KAYAK: F1 SOF, Yost Sea Rover SOF, old Burton Racing Ski Location: Como |
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:30 am
Hi there GP advocates
I converted to the GP because I could make them myself in the first place and cannot get the feel right on returning to the wing or Euro paddle. I also just learned to roll (5 in a row proving it wasn't a fluke) and don't look forward to ruining my roll average using another type of paddle... So its the GP for me. I prefer thinner tips (about 3mm) in my GP to stop the sucking of air when I am going for it. Adam I know how you feel. Because of the blades forward cant you introduce sideways rocking which doesn't give those feeling tippy much confidence... Just stretch out forward slice a bit sideways and don't pull too far back. Regards Dave |
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Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:48 am KAYAK: Australis Gecko, Valley Nordkapp RM. Location: NSW Central Coast |
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:27 pm
As a euro paddler, I really empathise Adam. I've only had a couple of goes with the stick and felt quite strange, I'm not sure if I'm doing it even close to right. At first I was quite gentle with it and I concentrated quite hard on cant and rotation and it all felt a bit weird and quite wobbly as the paddle tried to dive. Then I got a little more used to it and started to put in some leg drive with the stroke and the paddle stopped diving just like that. The legs seemed to make the difference for me, anyone else notice that or am I just a weird paddler ?
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Joined: Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:13 am KAYAK: Sea Leopard Location: Harrington, NSW |
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:02 pm
John, I am afraid you are just a weird paddler 
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Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:54 am Location: Bairnsdale Gippsland Lakes Vic KAYAK: Mailstrom mk2, Valley Aquanort F1 Skin on fraim Location: Bairnsdale Gippsland Lake |
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:55 pm
I tend not to think about it to much, and just let it do its thing, im stil not convinced its good for everything, I like the positiv drive from my Silver storm paddel when I need to get through the surf or its indestructabel build when playing in rock gardens . I still carry both when im going on a trip.
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Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:48 am KAYAK: Australis Gecko, Valley Nordkapp RM. Location: NSW Central Coast |
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:19 pm
 I was afraid of that 
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Joined: Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:13 am KAYAK: Sea Leopard Location: Harrington, NSW |
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:49 am
From the first moment I got my hands on one of Tom's Elver Paddles it felt comfortable, I can't say that my technique is great but it sure feels good to me.Very rarely reach for the Werner these days.
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Joined: Fri May 01, 2009 1:31 pm Location: Emerald Beach, NSW KAYAK: 1931 Disco Bay SOF, F1 SOF, Impex Assateague Location: Emerald Beach, NSW |
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:04 pm
Now thats what I like to hear
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Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:34 am KAYAK: Mirage 580 & 730, Valley Avocet, F1 SoF. Location: Beautiful Lake Macquarie |
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:10 pm
Tom - What is the secret to the beautiful finish you get on your paddles? (I know its a trade , but you can just tell me - nobody else will know.) I've put about 6 coats of genuine tung oil on my self made (Brian Schulz) paddle, yet it's still as dull as buggery and is a faded, dirty orange colour.
Life truly lived is full of risk; to fence out risk is to fence out life itself.
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Joined: Fri May 01, 2009 1:31 pm Location: Emerald Beach, NSW KAYAK: 1931 Disco Bay SOF, F1 SOF, Impex Assateague Location: Emerald Beach, NSW |
Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:44 pm
Hi Owen,
Nah not really a trade secret. Just burnishing with oil (google burnishing with oil for other version). Secret is to rub the final (say 5th or 6th coat) with 600 grit wet with oil to make a paste that fills the pores and then allows the oil to polish on something. Keep adding oil and rubbing. The really secret part is that you need to rub. Lots. Then some more. And finally rub a lot more. When you are completely bored of rubbing, and would rather go mow the lawn or clean out the grease trap you've probably almost rubbed enough. At finish, wipe off excess with a clean rag and give it a dry polish. OR cut to the chase - apply 4 coats of oil then cheat by using furniture wax and a buffing head on the grinder. Almost as good as burnishing, but not as water resistant. (If you don't care a fig for tradition, use some super-duper teflon and plastic car polish. If it works on cars it will probably work on a bit of wood - not my style but should work..) (I use the top option.) happy rubbing! Tom |
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Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:34 am KAYAK: Mirage 580 & 730, Valley Avocet, F1 SoF. Location: Beautiful Lake Macquarie |
Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:46 pm
Tom, I know I should be grateful for your advice upon how to achieve that magnificent finish you get, but with all that rubbing, rubbing and rubbing you've prescribed, it's a bit like thanking a traffic cop for slowing you down as, he hands you a speeding ticket. However, like most worthwhile things in this life you have to work for it; so I'll give it a go. Thanks.
Life truly lived is full of risk; to fence out risk is to fence out life itself.
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Joined: Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:35 pm Location: Sydney Australia KAYAK: Valley Aquanaut HV RM, Folbot Cooper. Greenland Paddles: Adanac, Elver, Mitchell, CohoKayak Location: Sydney |
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:20 pm
My new "Rock Garden Series" by Adanac Paddles (Canada) has arrived finally! Absolutely magnificently made GPs, can't wait to trial them out tomorrow!
http://fatpaddler.com/2010/02/my-first- ... c-paddles/ Cheers - FP 
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Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:55 pm KAYAK: Seaward Passat G3 - Raider X - Cetus - Ocean Kayak Sprinter- Malibu 2 Location: Brisbane Queensland Austr |
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:05 pm
Raider - Its indeed a pleasure to see that at least one other middle aged gent is part of this electronic paddling collective.
Owen Mate, I somehow missed your little gem on this thread. Sorry, I wasn't being rude. It must be 'Oldtimers'. I must admit that your respectful description of 'Middle Aged Gent' is much nicer than the usual 'Old Fart' that I usually get from this local mob who show no respect for age or experience. My only comment is that we have made it this far. These young heroes have yet to get there. Only time will tell how many are up to it. Cheers |
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Joined: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:02 am KAYAK: Valley Rapier, strip built baidarka, SOF baidarka, TRAK, SOF Disko Bay Location: Hobart , Tas |
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:43 am
same here.....that's a lot of rolls. Going to have to develop a few new ones. |
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Joined: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:29 pm KAYAK: Valley Aquanaut, Valley Rapier 20, Epic V10 Sport Ski Location: Sydney, Australia |
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:45 pm
Name the well known philosopher/forum contributor/Bass Strait veteran/rudder pride member who may well have inadvertently gone to the dark side over the weekend...?
Mark Sundin
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Joined: Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:32 am KAYAK: Seabear Waitoa, Seabear, EcoNiizh Double Location: Brisbane |
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:47 pm
Say it isnt so.... Must have been a great salesman.
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Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:54 am Location: Bairnsdale Gippsland Lakes Vic KAYAK: Mailstrom mk2, Valley Aquanort F1 Skin on fraim Location: Bairnsdale Gippsland Lake |
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:19 pm
Welcome to the dark side , next you will wont to paddel skin on frame boats
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