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First Aid Kit

Postby Whitsunday » Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:50 pm

OK
I’m looking for a list of contents for a first aid kit for sea kayaking.
I need a basic kit for use on weekend trips in the Whitsundays.

Also what items need to be added to make it suitable for longer trips to remote locations.

Are there any commercially available??

Then finally where do you stow it , and how do you keep it dry???

Whitsunday

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby Pluto » Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:54 pm

I have always found the Equip first aid kits to be very comprehensive and compact. I carry a Pro 1 kit, enhanced with a reef rash supplement pack, some motion sickness tabs, after sun cream, a mild pain killer (Nurofen usually) and some Hydralite.

I keep it dry using doubled dry bags (one sealed within the other) and stow it as close to the front hatch cover as possible, along side my tool kit.

Most of the SKCWA members stow their first aid kits in the same spot, so if there's an emergency they can easily find kits in any member's boat.

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby Kels » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:48 pm

Hi Whitsunday,

Contents are best worked out by doing some First Aid training specific to the activity you are going to do, that will give you a good feel for what you need - the types of injuries/ailments you expect will dictate what you need in a pack - for example, you're probably not going to get a lot of broken limbs but will definitely see a lot of blisters, cuts and grazes. The discussions here http://www.ukseakayakguidebook.co.uk/almanac_safety.htm are a pretty good starting point. Its always cheaper to make your own, but a pre-made one is pretty convenient - I use a St Johns one with additions, its been going strong since 2003 and not much of the original stuff is still there (except the hardware).

As to where it goes - I always worry about having anything in my front or rear hatch that I may need on the water, having someone remove a hatch cover at sea is quite freaky and can be dangerous, epecially if the covers are tight and hands are cold and wet - not being able to get it back on is bad-juju. I put mine in the day hatch for that reason. Having said that though, when you're in a large group you need a group medical kit (to suppliment your individual kits) and that is probably going to go into the front or rear hatch, just because of size and space availability.

If you make your own the container should preferably be clear so you can see the contents without having to tip them out - a clear Seal Line bag is good. The store bought packs (like the St Johns ones) are usually well organised and mine has zippered compartments and elastic straps to hold things in - that seems to work well when you need to use it as the whole contents dont spill out just to get to a band-aid. I have compromised and put my St Johns pack into a clear dry bag! There are a few other items in the dry bag like a space blanket and a thermal shirt - the sort of things a patient might need on the water. Also the coughs, colds and sore holes type stuff is kept in a separate pouch because it gets used more often.

I have seen some shocking kits around - rusty scissors and needles, crappy band-aids that dont stick when wet, out of date medicine, tubes of savlon exploding everywhere. You should always try and check the med kits of the people you are paddling with (on an exped) before you go - a good way is to run (or have someone run) a first aid refresher before hand, that way people dont feel like you are being critical of their gear. If you lob into a group and there is no group kit, or its rubbish then be prepared to fix it - you simply cant rely on everyone having their own kit and it being up to scratch (unless you are in a group of people you know well and trust).

Having just been the beneficiary of an extensive and specialised first aid kit, backed up by top notch training, I'm happy to say that what I've described above works in the real world.

Cheers,

Adam

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby Mark Sundin » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:20 am

Agree with Adam & Steve's excellent suggestions on contents & storage position, but I keep mine in a large polycarbonate water bottle, Nalgene or similar. They don't leak water when they're full of it, so they don't let any in when they're used for storage. You can see everything inside, it's a distinctive feeling item so when you're feeling for it without being able to see inside your day hatch (usually rough water doesn't allow for any peeks backwards) it's easily identifiable, and it protects the contents.
Most important of all as Adam says, make sure you have proper first aid training. The procedures change quite frequently & it's worth keeping your qualifications up to date, not just for your sea kayaking.

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby mick M » Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:25 pm

realy like the botel idear Mark , my dry bag tends to merg in with the other items in my day hatch , Iv had a peek at the contents of my kit, the dates on things are on the skery side , and thers probably a lot beter range of things on the market from when I put it together, thinking about ti, the last corse I did did not look at what we cary in our Kits mabe its somthing we should ask more questions about when doing our refreshers, and CPR has changed drematicaly over the last cupal of years.

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby haresfur » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:14 am

Labled orange dry bag in the day hatch. Put together from scratch because the commercial ones don't seem to have the right or the best stuff. Plenty of expired pain meds because as far as I know they keep much longer than advertised.

Wish I had found time to take wilderness first aid training because in N America the regular (of which I'm up to date) is pretty useless.

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby RobH » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:43 pm

For a long trip like the Whitsundays you may want a compact kit for on-water emergencies in the day hatch and a more extensive one for use off-water. A small plastic bottle with vinegar that is easily accessible is handy for marine stings (http://www.nswseakayaker.asn.au/mag/48/ ... yndrom.htm Another thing to be mindful off is possible allergy to sand flies/midges up there so make sure you take a good insect repellent and perhaps some antihistamines. What is merely annoying on a one-day trip can be much worse on a lengthy trip.

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby arjplanet06 » Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:06 pm

Hello, you can buy first aid kit online or in traditional way, you can found it in all first aid kit outlets nationwide. Try to search the gear zone and booty sites. You can find many kinds of first aid kit there.

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby JohnA » Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:26 am

Hi All,

I bought some very flash waterproof plasters recently. They turned out to be very waterproof but being a thin film, they weren't even slightly abrasion resistant. I ended up with a wrap of sport strapping tape over the top. Anyone got any tips on the best brand of sticking plaster for aquatic usage. It seems to be a very demanding application.

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby mick M » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:17 pm

duckt tape

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby JohnA » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:37 pm

mick M wrote:duckt tape


Stupid question wasn't it Mick ?

Of course, duct tape works for everything !!

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby Mark Sundin » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:54 pm

I heard it called 'the force' the other day - "It surrounds us and sustains us. It binds the galaxy together."
Hey Gav, Kohomada from Colombo...

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby mick M » Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:51 am

as well as the duct tape I also have sume vet rap, its a self amalgumating (binds and seals with itself ) bandage which is grate for sprains and straind rists.
also melinin dresings are good to cary, if you can find them the tropical ones are best , thay tend to stick beter , but the duct tape on top when nesasery keeps them in place . sergical grade supa glue , for gluwing scalp woonds together when peopal wont let me put stiches in and I always cary extra elastic bandages for snake bite . the duct tape can be yoused in place of a sling , often its beter for emobalizing dislocated shlders and I also have 2 large hevy duty garbage bags for hypothermia. 2 becos if your mate is cold chances are your not fare behind him as your in the same conditions and probebly wearing same clothing . to youse cut a corner out of the bag just larg enuf for the face to sit in , not big enuf for the head to g through ,pull over hole body and place hat on hed to keep in place . strips of security windo mesh 150mm X 600mm with the edges taped around make for good splints , its stiff but can still be bent , pad the inside and duct tape in place a big botel of betadeen, libaraly yoused on cuts and scrapes keeps infection out , partiqularly in the tropics , sume peopal can be elergic to the stuff so test it ferst donnatab tor gastro and other bugs thers nothing like traveling with the trots or worse

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby lilapeas » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:15 pm

Whitsunday wrote:OK
I’m looking for a list of contents for a first aid kit for sea kayaking.
I need a basic kit for use on weekend trips in the Whitsundays.

Also what items need to be added to make it suitable for longer trips to remote locations.

Are there any commercially available??

Then finally where do you stow it , and how do you keep it dry???

Whitsunday


Maybe you can find it here.
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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby roadkillchef » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:35 pm

I've thought about this a fair bit - when not paddling I spend my time as a rural/remote doctor with an interest in trauma and retrieval medicine. When I started out in the game I had enough kit in the ute to do a laparotomy....oxygen, intubation gear, chest tubes, splints, the whole enchilada.

Now I've distilled it down to a scalpel, some betadine and simple dressing pack, a few drips and a bag of IV fluid, plus panadol/aspirin. That's my on the day-today on the road kit unless I am formally oncall pre-hospital and driving the rapid response vehicle.

In my kayak, I'd keep it real simple - PHONE (or other device), DUCT TAPE, SUPERGLUE, ANTISEPTIC, ASPIRIN/PARACETAMOL and a MULTI-TOOL.

The way I see it, if you do anything REAL serious, you're going to need evacuation. And if the injury is real serious, you're going to need a helluva lot more kit than most would carry (oxygen for a start!)

So, you need a PHONE to get a medevac - ASAP.

DUCT TAPE allows you to splint/pad most things (and repair your busted kayak).

SUPERGLUE is great to close easy (non-tension) wounds...for anything else you're going to need sutures, which is fine if you can suture...if not -> hospital (we use special epiglu in hospital - probably costs about $200 bucks a tube, whereas can get 'non-medical' superglue from Mitre10 for $2.36

ANTISEPTIC is useful for stings etc and doesn't take up much space. ASPIRIN is best for a heart attack as well as a hangover or sprain. PARACETAMOL good for aches and pains, fever. Black n Gold brands are as good as any other and cheaper.

MULTI-TOOL is great for cracking beers, fixing rudders (so use a skeg), shucking oysters, fighting off raft guides and of course doing an emergency cricothyroidotomy ;-)

My point is, I can cram my kayak with all gear I need to patch someone up in the Emergency Dept or when I am doing prehospital work. But, in that case, I'd rather opt for doing the basics well and acting quick to organise a retrieval, rather than piss around on the beach. And keep my kayak empty for food/alcohol/camping gear

And if the victim is not that sick, superglue, duct tape, multitool plus phone/antiseptic will deal with both human and equipment failures and allow the trip to continue!

Someone usually asks about D&V and rehydration. Ginger and kwells don't really cut it. We have some excellent wafers of ondanseton (a powerful anti-emetic used in chemo) which work well. And rather than piss around with IVs and bags of crystalloid, better to stop, try small sips or, if all else fails, rectal rehydration (don't ask!)
The cure for anything is salt water: sweat, tears or the sea

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby roadkillchef » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:13 pm

M post has been up only a few minutes and I've been inundated with emails from mostly NSW paddlers (you know who you are) asking about rectal rehydration.

Well, the rectal route allows instillation of fluids and absorption into the circulation without all that tedious mucking around with drips etc. The British army use it, and I've read of shipwreck survivors using an impromptu seawater enema when stuck in a life raft.

Of course, the French excel at all things rectal. i have heard that the French ambos will use the rectal route for many drugs, including administration of glucose in a case of suspected hypoglycaemia (I mention this because hypoglycaemia is not uncommon on expeditions).

Apparently, if you are found collapsed in France, the ambos will assume hypoglycaemia and invariably stuff a Mars Bar or equivalent glucose-containign up your bum. Yet another reason not to get sick in France.

Meanwhile, make mine a Toblerone!
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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby HYBRID Pty Ltd » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:59 pm

Toblerone, s'il vou plait!
This is the best post... by far!
Thank you Dr roadkillchef!

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby roadkillchef » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:39 am

Hmmm, I'm getting a little worried about this fixation with packing chocolate (but for the record Bernard, you can use toblerone as it is 'ribbed for your pleasure')

Let's get back to the essentials of a first aid kit, eh?

- phone
- multi-tool
- duct tape (lots of it)
- superglue
- antiseptic/stingoze
- paracetamol/aspirin

...and ok, add a mars bar or toblerone if you really must.

Sticking it all in a nalgene bottle stashed in day hatch makes sense to me.
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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby mick M » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:59 am

what are the down sides to super glue ? will it work on wet skin ?

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Re: First Aid Kit

Postby JohnA » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:34 pm

It's like two of Billy Connolly's best sketches rolled into one. The toblerone one and the prostate exam one. Priceless, well done. This thread just proves that laughter is the best medicine :)

Which must be why every time I hurt myself my ex wife used to fall around laughing, bless her heart, she was just trying to make me better !

I think I'll go with the Picnic, Dr Tim, just because it looks as if it belongs.


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